tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1276137109108719911.post2077506009054569740..comments2023-03-24T05:41:17.603-07:00Comments on OutsideTheBox: Mini Book Review: The Doors of the SeaCliff Martinhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08342566023774158670noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1276137109108719911.post-56216395361243631072007-10-12T12:44:00.000-07:002007-10-12T12:44:00.000-07:00I'm so glad you liked it!I'm so glad you liked it!Chris Tillinghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03153087287030167791noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1276137109108719911.post-51678168756012758902007-10-12T06:12:00.000-07:002007-10-12T06:12:00.000-07:00Gordon,I just received my copy of Owen Gingrich's ...Gordon,<BR/><BR/>I just received my copy of Owen Gingrich's book, and it is the second book down on my list.<BR/><BR/>When Chris Tilling reviewed Hart's book, he wrote, "...he also calls 'limited atonement' a heresy on the way, and Calvin (and Reformed thinking generally) is nothing but a punch-bag for his searing argumentation. Great fun! Indeed, though I have grown in Christian faith mostly within a Reformed Evangelical context, I found his rebuke of theological determinism as profound and moving a case as I have read anywhere."<BR/><BR/>I think you ought to read this book.Cliff Martinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08342566023774158670noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1276137109108719911.post-36398064537413658122007-10-12T04:28:00.000-07:002007-10-12T04:28:00.000-07:00That sounds good. I will gladly pile on any denou...That sounds good. I will gladly pile on any denounciation of runaway Calvinism - since my view of providence is very nuanced. I just finished Owen Gingrich's "God's Universe" - which probably helped me qualify my doctrine of providence even more.<BR/><BR/>-GJGGordon J. Gloverhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05775671718952764368noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1276137109108719911.post-79694965391861670052007-10-11T14:58:00.000-07:002007-10-11T14:58:00.000-07:00Steve,You will appreciate this book. 100 pages or ...Steve,<BR/>You will appreciate this book. 100 pages or so its a quick read. Get it an enjoy.<BR/>Gordon,<BR/>I was secretly hoping you wouldn't notice my review. Actually, "determinism" is my word, I think. I'm not sure Hart uses it. Shame on me. But I think the brand of Calvinism he rejects is a bit stauncher than what you would profess. He has a couple of pages in which he affirms a form of providence that is actually quite close to what I think you believe. but straw man? I don't think so. He is quite cerebral, and seems to know of what he writes.Cliff Martinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08342566023774158670noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1276137109108719911.post-59679118493276449512007-10-11T13:56:00.000-07:002007-10-11T13:56:00.000-07:00I'm curious to know if his "multiple scathing denu...I'm curious to know if his "multiple scathing denunciations of Calvinistic determinism" is a straw-man argument, or if he really understands the subtleties of the doctrine of God's sovereignty. Most of the criticism I see is simply a criticism of fatalism, which is not providence. And given the use of the word "determinism" when describing God's providence, it already sounds like he's missing the point.<BR/><BR/>Am I reading too much into this?<BR/><BR/>-GJGGordon J. Gloverhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05775671718952764368noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1276137109108719911.post-29583178112912289232007-10-11T13:16:00.000-07:002007-10-11T13:16:00.000-07:00Hi Cliff, I saw Chris's post too .. and immediatel...Hi Cliff, <BR/>I saw Chris's post too .. and immediately put it on my "to read" list. Unfortunately that list keeps getting longer. Thanks for your review. I think I'll bump it up a few notches. So many books, so little time ...Steve Martinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11734019573868663947noreply@blogger.com