tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1276137109108719911.post4057280511711593480..comments2023-03-24T05:41:17.603-07:00Comments on OutsideTheBox: Geocentricism: alive and well in America!Cliff Martinhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08342566023774158670noreply@blogger.comBlogger4125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1276137109108719911.post-85095261353445455792008-03-17T11:27:00.000-07:002008-03-17T11:27:00.000-07:00Steve,You are quite right. I do not use "religion"...Steve,<BR/>You are quite right. I do not use "religion" in the same way Hodge does. In fact, I usually avoid the term altogether, except as you defined it in your comment. I was just mirroring the Hodge quote, as you suspect.<BR/><BR/>Is "fight for its life" an overstatement? I'm not sure that it is. I am presently reading Richard Dawkins. He builds a strong case against the brand of Christianity that dominates the conservative church. And much of his line of attack is in some way related to an ant-science bias within the church. As the cultural battle with "evangelical" atheists like Dawkins heats up, the atheists are posed to win many arguments. Still, "fight for its life" may be a little overreaching.Cliff Martinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08342566023774158670noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1276137109108719911.post-29024217334348951642008-03-17T10:40:00.000-07:002008-03-17T10:40:00.000-07:00Hi Cliff, Wow. 20% are unable to say whether the e...Hi Cliff, <BR/><BR/>Wow. 20% are unable to say whether the earth or the sun is the center of the solar system?! I find that hard to believe (not that I'm questioning the data - just have a hard time understanding how that could happen in this day and age). <BR/><BR/>I agree with you that Hodge was wrong (although, some of his instincts were correct - ie. if by Darwinism one means a reductionist scientism that claims evolution implies atheism, then yes that is a definite problem). <BR/><BR/>On your rewriting of Hodge's statement, I'd say "The gospel is endangered by anti-science Christians". 2 reasons why I'd modify it this way: <BR/><BR/>1) "religion" is so hard-wired into humans that I'm convinced the majority of humanity will always be "religious" - but "religious" and "faith in Christ" are not necessarily the same thing. But, anti-science thinking is definitely a problem for a credible gospel. <BR/><BR/>2) "fight for its life" is probably overstating it - I'd say there are other just as problematic (or worse) issues in the church today and solving the science / faith <BR/>conflict will not help. But I think you agree with this based on what you have written before - your statement in this case was intended to mirror Hodge's.Steve Martinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11734019573868663947noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1276137109108719911.post-11149439875547998592008-03-15T07:22:00.000-07:002008-03-15T07:22:00.000-07:00Thanks for weighing in, Steve. You can find the bl...Thanks for weighing in, Steve. You can find the blog post Steve refers to <A HREF="http://undeception.com/index.php/2008/03/14/oklahoma-where-the-crap-comes-sweeping-through-the-schools/" REL="nofollow">here</A>, together with his link to an Oklahoma newspaper article. Make's my head spin. This is the kind of thing the fuels the fires of non-believers' ridicule and disgust.Cliff Martinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08342566023774158670noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1276137109108719911.post-87447868075190912542008-03-14T20:20:00.000-07:002008-03-14T20:20:00.000-07:00Agree. The church's abdication of science is chie...Agree. The church's abdication of science is chief on my list of scandals of the evangelical mind, as Mark Noll put it.<BR/><BR/>IMO, creationism is no less scandalous than geocentrism, and no better supported by Scripture, either!<BR/><BR/>Speaking of dumbing down America, you should get a kick out of my next blog post. Holy mackerel.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com